deer bear chocolate mousse cake forest animal squirrel fox christmas wolf snow elk Pixabay. That you took your moose with trad gear, does that mean that everyone who uses trad gear never lost a moose? you will not penetrate any of the bones in that area if you are off by an inch. Bull moose in front of Mt McKinley, also called Denali, Denali National Park, Alaska. His results are lots of dead animals and zero losses with the frontal shot. I shoot moose when they look in my direction. Dare me for pics, I'm dyin' to show them to anybody that would sit still long enough.... =D. So does anyone have any dimensions? In that scenario, if I had called the bull in I would not take the frontal shot. I understand an antelope is not a moose or elk, but the principle and the results will be the same if you know where to put your arrow and you are capable at doing that. I made a bad mistake on that hunt and with that shot and I will never make that same mistake on a moose again. Not every frontal shot is the same. There is more problem with poor knowledge of anatomy and angles than accuracy at that range. Who could argue with that shot? Use the rule of thirds for a broadside shot. Know your anatomy; if you see the window and can make the shot, it's a deadly hit. A frontal shot from a treestand angle would need to enter right under the chin to be angling down and out through the vitals. If I recall Dwight didn't hit it frontal, he hit it in the shoulder bone where it comes forward of the leg. They know better. IMO treestand angles can be VERY limiting as to your shot selection also. If you know the anatomy of your game and have practiced enough to know where your arrow is going to hit, then I think it's a great shot to take. And by the way, I have my bowhunter education teaching certificate. I am going on my AK moose hunt in less than three weeks...No way am I risking a frontal shot on a big moose. Personally I'd be much more leery of that than taking any slam dunk frontal shot with my tackle. Again I would bet none! If you are a “veteran” bowhunter for BIG game, meaning that you are not a “kid” or a “newbie”, and you’re still unsure of good shot opportunities, seek out those willing to teach…unless your mind is closed. And here's how the shot was set up. life offers lots of opportunities to expand ones horizons. McKinley during Autumn, Denali National Park, Alaska, https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-bull-moose-standing-on-tundra-in-front-of-mt-mckinley-during-autumn-30579505.html. Line up the back edge of the front leg and visualize the body in thirds. If you shoot low in the front you will kill the critter , but not likely will you recover it. The "if" scenario is present on every situation we face. Everything not exactly 90 degrees is quartering on or quartering away. If the argument here is to deter an inexperienced hunter from taking that shot then I guess I can see the point. I saw the guy on the Something River Adventures with Shawn Micheals show kill a bull out of self defense with a frontal shot. Do you shoot? If you are confident you can kill the animal quickly, take the shot you're comfortable with. You need to remember that a moose is more than just a big deer. Still should get through them the same way you expect to get through them broadside. But I've never killed a moose. I wouldn't criticize anyone for passing it. IdyllwildArcher 22-Feb-14. Every time you get a critter on the ground use it as a time to study their anatomy so you understand their structure and makeup and it will help you in many situations to know where and when to shoot, to ensure you get what you hit. A frontal shot in their chest could break a rear leg. Broadside shot still has to deal with ribs. If you are considering a frontal shot, learn where the THORACIC INLET is. Brisket fat, meat and heavy bone”, except I won’t be hitting the ”heavy bone”, which would mean I’d missed my shot by 4” or more…, No one will change any minds on this discussion of he said/ he said, but I will be one archer who will not hesitate if that is the shot that presents its self on my hard earned bull….if I ever draw a permit (21 years and counting). It's likely a bullet entering the chest of a large brown bear, on a frontal shot, will exit the bear's butt. So, here’s one for you…can you hit a 4” target 90% of the time at 20 yards? https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-moose-head-front-view-of-antlers-forest-icon-isolated-on-white-background-50363987.html, young moose - standing in front of house / Alces alces, https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-young-moose-standing-in-front-of-house-alces-alces-17759429.html. For the guys that have tried it, did you hit the thoracic inlet or did you punch through the ribs or in front of the shoulder? Light arrows? Don't do it. I don't think one or two frontal shots on moose qualifies as "expert". That answer would be obvious I guess, but you don't hear too many suggesting you should never use trad gear on moose, ONLY that you be proficient with it. Or taking it, as long as they made it and the animal went down in short order. Keith Keith, Jan 5, … Won’t take a frontal shot. Nobody has stepped forward to show how it's been done on moose, WITH dependable and repeatable success. Those same principles apply on broadside shots too. Copyright © 08/01/2021 Alamy Ltd. All rights reserved. I do imagine a large bull moose can be taken with a frontal shot. Learn the skeletal structure. Markus Spiske. But prejudice aside and personal bias aside, the close in, straight away shot is a very deadly shot and in my opinion, more deadly by far, than are most broadside shots. No one involved in this discussion will, nor has claimed, that everyone should attempt a frontal shot. My experience with elk and arrows has been either really good or really bad, not much in between. All shots completely transected the chest. It's been said that arrogance is a form of it. And again, no matter what shot you like, bowhunting is about getting close and being sure you kill what you hit. I shoot moose when they look in my direction. It was a complete pass through with about a 1.5" hole in the middle of each blade. But as a second arrow in an excited mode I can see the reasoning for the marginal attempt. Follow me on Instagram @ high_mountain_hunter And for a multitude of reasons. We don't teach them to take shots at critters that are facing us. Ignorance is a sad thing, especially when those who close their minds to knowledge, depend more on myth, than fact. A bull moose wanders in front of Emerald Lake as the sunsets. A frontal shot is great if you can slap a broadhead into the baseball sized target at the base of their neck and on into the lungs, if you dont hit it, you're in trouble. But on a moose, I would make sure I was center between the legs and just under where the hip bones join under its tail. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-bull-moose-in-front-of-mt-mckinley-denali-national-park-alaska-31227615.html. Use the rule of thirds for a broadside shot. Huntsman...all we're doing here is trading opinions on the worthiness of the frontal shot. I believe thats why the original question states "close range"... Just as with elk, most who condone the frontal shot need to do more studying on their critters. What is the Best Shot Placement for Moose? I have a lot of confidence that the extreme majority of serious experienced moose hunters (and moose guides) would advise strongly against the frontal shot. The one in the photo doesn't look that large - an 80 + inch rack would a be foot wider than a mans height. You can go back for years and read my many posts, how I qualify that shot. I'm decidedly no expert. I remember one moose I shot three times in the span of about 10 seconds. Someone with limited experience archery or bowhunting, using traditional gear on moose? You have to know anatomy. Just give the frontal shot a try and then in the harvest screen switch quickly between the shot placement vision and the normal animal vision. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-a-cow-moose-walks-through-snow-in-front-of-the-teton-mountains-in-92734903.html, Moose (Alces alces), bull, Grand Teton NP,Wyoming, USA, https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-moose-alces-alces-bull-grand-teton-npwyoming-usa-26254859.html, A Moose in Front of Beautiful Fall Colors, https://www.alamy.com/a-moose-in-front-of-beautiful-fall-colors-image336041881.html, elk, European moose (Alces alces alces), standing in a pond, Germany, https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-elk-european-moose-alces-alces-alces-standing-in-a-pond-germany-76039045.html. Pixabay. This also stands true for the frontal. Moose hunter sitting on a stump with a litle fire in front holding his rifle pointing to the left. So if one was equipped properly, well versed in the anatomy and practice enough, perhaps. Like it or not, we need to watch our step or we soon won't be able to go bowhunting and it'll be a moot point. I don't feel there was anything "unethical" about it. Trick is to shoot at the heart. I'll be back in Alaska in six days adding to my moose experiences, though. Saved by Oscar Ennis. If however I slipped in on this bull and he has turned to face in my direction but has not made me I would take the shot (and I have killed a couple this way, though I usually just wait them out). Clouts79, I’ve never seen a moose stand on its hind legs like a bear. I would have felt very bad to have wounded him. It is just like Huntsman pointed out, if you understand where to hit them and their anatomy and you are close, I truly believe its bowhunting’s best kill shot. You have to be under control. I HAD him, I burned a hole into the hair I was going to slice if I wanted the shot, and it was a slam-dunk for me. Who said NOT to take a broadside shot???? Funny also is that most of the same people reject or dismiss the fact that a moose will OFTEN hold his head low, with dewlap waggin', cutting target area down on a frontal shot. Not a shot to be considered on a moose, for the reasons stated above. much happiness and success to them, for me I wish to venture down the other forks in the road to see what's around the next bend and over the next peak. Gratuit pour un usage commercial. And I will go one step farther, and say, that the majority of guys who wait for the animals to turn broadside, really don’t know where to aim for a clean fast kill, with lesser odds of wounding the animal they are trying to harvest. I finally told him to use solids and they worked well. Бесплатно скачать в высоком разрешении. For shots under 300 yards with a heavy controlled-expansion bullet, the 6.5 Creedmoor can kill moose successfully when shot angles are ideal. Moose Vitals: A broadside or slightly quartered away Moose offers up a hunter the best chance at a double lung shot or even heart shot. Seeing the results the guys you talk to it just add some weight to their words in my book...."and makes the conversation a little more fluent", "I actually prefer moose pointed in a different direction then "At me" when they are shot. That video can be seen on my 2011 BB's Bowsite hunt thread. Maybe it's to prepare for departure...just in case. You have to be a decent shot. Geez I see guys bragging about using their whitetail rigs with mechs on moose, or what I'd consider low power trad equipment. When we butchered this moose we found that the arrow was securely lodged in the spine. Only God's mercy that he wasn't trampled under by the huge animal. Do you know 14 people that you are that much superior to? After setting up the blind I told PAV," I was going to shoot a buck right up the pooper" and that is exactly what I did. An up close front view of a wild bull moose 'Alces alces', looking forward in his forest habitat in Jasper National Park in Alberta Canada. If you hit the "breast bones", you missed your mark. And fellow Bowsiter PAV helped me do it. Terms and conditions ~ A FL whitetail broadside shot I meant to say. Germany, https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-fancy-mouse-mother-and-young-on-front-of-their-home-germany-173164047.html, Eurasian elk or moose (Alces alces) bull in velvet, state game reserve, Germany, https://www.alamy.com/eurasian-elk-or-moose-alces-alces-bull-in-velvet-state-game-reserve-image61856406.html, A moose cow (alces alces) and her calf are resting near one of many bike/hiking trails in Kincade Park on a sunny summer day, https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-a-moose-cow-alces-alces-and-her-calf-are-resting-near-one-of-many-135481121.html, Moose with snow powder on his muzzle, big antlers and dark fur, searching food in snowy forest in winter Algonquin Provincial Park Ontario Canada, https://www.alamy.com/moose-with-snow-powder-on-his-muzzle-big-antlers-and-dark-fur-searching-food-in-snowy-forest-in-winter-algonquin-provincial-park-ontario-canada-image333076039.html, Front Street waterfront in Ketchikan Alaska, https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-front-street-waterfront-in-ketchikan-alaska-71695852.html. That stuff pegs the meter. There is a shot by no less a hunter than Dwight Schuh recorded on YouTube.com where he takes a nearly head on shot. I can only theorize why this happens. Just hit the "ten ring" and you've got complete penetration the whole length of the body. I am not against the broadside shot and take a large percentage of the critter I kill with them, but they sure haven’t treated me or others with which I have hunted, nearly as kindly, as has the frontal or backend shots. The bull let an impressive blood trail, Seems to me the nature of bull moose is to posture and time (wind permitting) will reward you with a more broadside shot......pass and be patient. No truer words have been spoken. I intentionally shot that buck higher than I would a moose because I know what my snuffer will do on a deer facing that way, because of prior experience. Sign in Sign up for FREE Prices and download plans I would venture to say you would loose far less animals with that shot than on the broadside shots. The archer, encouraged by the cameraman to wait for a clear vitals shot waits for the moose to turn. just off hand I'd guess one of the reasons not to take a frontal shot is the target is pretty small compared to a vital broadside target. and be damned anyone who offers options. i have taken moose from the front with deadly consequence. Thanks. Never had a moose facing me, and I shot most of them from treestands. I'm not telling the naysayers to take a shot that they're not comfortable taking, but please don't condone the frontal shot without the facts. Remember the clock, for a clean broadside hit the animal should be looking straight at either 3 or 9 o'clock. But on broadside shots I have and I have seen many animals hit and lost with broadside or quartering away shots. 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